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Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 1:35:18 AM
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Zissky
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Pilot's gun fires on US Airways flight
07:53 PM PDT on Monday, March 24, 2008
Associated Press
DENVER - A gun belonging to the pilot of a US Airways plane went off as the aircraft was on approach to land in North Carolina over the weekend, the first time a weapon issued under a federal program to arm pilots was fired, authorities said Monday.
The "accidental discharge" Saturday aboard Flight 1536 from Denver to Charlotte did not endanger the aircraft or the 124 passengers, two pilots and three flight attendants aboard, said Greg Alter of the Federal Air Marshal Service.
"We know that there was never any danger to the aircraft or to the occupants on board," Alter said.
It is the first time a pilot's weapon has been fired on a plane under a program created after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks to allow pilots and others to use a firearm to defend against any act of air piracy or criminal violence, he said.
The Transportation Security Administration is investigating how the gun discharged and is being assisted by the Air Marshal Service, Alter said. Officials did not say where the bullet hit.
The service declined to release additional details.
Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Mike Fergus said his agency is also investigating to make sure that the plane is safe. The Airbus A319 has been removed from service, the airline said.
The TSA initially opposed the Flight Deck Officer program to arm and train cockpit personnel. Agency officials worried that introducing a weapon to commercial flights was dangerous and that other security improvements made it unnecessary. Congress and pilots backed the program.
"The TSA has never been real supportive of this program," said Mike Boyd, who runs the Colorado-based aviation consulting firm The Boyd Group. "It's something I think Congress kind of put on them."
Pilots must volunteer, take a psychological test and complete a weeklong firearms training program run by the government to keep a gun in the cockpit.
Boyd said he supports the program to arm pilots, saying, "if somebody who has the ability to fly a 747 across the Pacific wants a gun, you give it to them." But he said Saturday's incident could have been much worse.
"If that bullet had compromised the shell of the airplane, i.e., gone through a window, the airplane could have gone down," he said.
jesus fucking christ... you get some unskilled jackhole a weapon and give him a WEEKs training?
then put him in charge of hundreds of lives...in a pressurized tin can 8 miles up in the air...
dumbshit's gun wouldn't have gone off if he hadn't put his fucking finger on the TRIGGER
'never any danger to crew or passengers' ...my ass.. punching the skin would have had catastrophic consequenses.
why the hell was the weapon on condition 1 anyway? if shit goes down in a barricaded cockpit.. you'd have the few moments it would take to rack a round.
jesus.. they're going to downplay this..but if this happened above 10,000 feet..they all could've been killed.
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 2:04:32 AM
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Agree with what you are saying on 'why the fuck was it made ready', from what they are saying the barricaded cockpit means that the plane can be few safely no matter whats going on (lots of rape hopefully lol) in the main body.
But regarding the pilots training and stuff, im sure he could master a few drills and the like. These people must do a billion pre-flight tests everyday and are only too adept at operating machinery.
So im fine with flight officers having firearms (if needed!?), they are trusted with the entire plane even if it malfunctions or is in bad weather. So im cool with them being mentally sound for the job, if they are gonna go wacko, the plane is fucked anyway.
That said, a negligent discharge is fucking appauling. Its like complete and utter disgust for someone to have an ND with blank ammo over here.
So that dude fucked up royally there, an ND for one, in an aircraft, when he shouldnt really be practicing spinning it on his finger ffs. In holster/case......until people start screaming. Which is most likely never in his life!
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 8:00:28 AM
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The idiot was probably using a glock. I've never fully trusted their system especially when the safety latch on the trigger itself is so flimsy.
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 8:34:20 AM
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Actually, unless the bullet hit a critical system, the odds of the plane going down because of one bullet hole in the skin is very remote.
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 8:54:33 AM
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Firing a weapon in a pressurized cabin is like going to a Thai brothel without condoms. Sure you may survive but the other side of the coin is damn frightening.
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 9:36:16 AM
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Maybe they should just give them single action revolvers.
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 9:59:45 AM
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 11:20:48 AM
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if capt. dumbass had put a hole in their window at altitude the resulting ED would render both pilots either knocked out hard (to die from lack of oxy later) or just plain dead in a millisecond..
and now..with the locked and zombie-barricaded cabin doors...the plane could be filled with expierienced pilots with oxy tanks on and unless they were on auto pilot they'd go down in a screaming hot-death one way trip to hell.
I'm not sure how difficult it is to get into a cabin NOW..given enough time.. but I'd assume that even if on autopilot and no one able to breach the door, the plane would toodle along on auto for hours and hours till it ran dry on fuel and THEN go down in a screaming, hot-death one way trip to hell.
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 11:31:56 AM
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But that's not necessarily true. There have been tests that show firing directly through the window of a pressurized cabin simply created a hole the size of the bullet which yes did start sucking out air, but the seats were not sucked through the hole. It would take something a lot bigger than a bullet to cause an explosive decompression.
I'm not saying it could never happen, I'm just saying it's unlikely. Cockpits have lost windshields causing decompression, but the plane was still able to land (with the pilot halfway though the window).
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 11:49:26 AM
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Yes, but could the plane take off?
Would EoG dance to celebrate it?
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 11:53:12 AM
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Yes, but could the plane take off?
Would EoG dance to celebrate it?
Does the Pope shit in the woods?
Are bears Catholic?
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 12:24:46 PM
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But that's not necessarily true. There have been tests that show firing directly through the window of a pressurized cabin simply created a hole the size of the bullet which yes did start sucking out air, but the seats were not sucked through the hole. It would take something a lot bigger than a bullet to cause an explosive decompression.
I'm not saying it could never happen, I'm just saying it's unlikely. Cockpits have lost windshields causing decompression, but the plane was still able to land (with the pilot halfway though the window).
i wunder if the previous events happened above or below 10k '?
it would be quite the shitstorm if a jumbo jet went down due to pilot jerkin his glock off in the cockpit
in any case.. the terrorists have truely won
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 12:32:43 PM
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It was on a flight from England to Spain. The windshield gave way and the pilot was sucked through, but not all the way. I steward helped keep him from going all the way out. It took 15 minutes to get the plane on the ground and the pilot survived.
I want to say they were around 20k feet when it happened. The pilot suffered some frostbite.
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 1:00:18 PM
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It was on a flight from England to Spain. The windshield gave way and the pilot was sucked through, but not all the way. I steward helped keep him from going all the way out. It took 15 minutes to get the plane on the ground and the pilot survived.
I want to say they were around 20k feet when it happened. The pilot suffered some frostbite.
He also required new underpants.
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 1:01:14 PM
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It was on a flight from England to Spain. The windshield gave way and the pilot was sucked through, but not all the way. I steward helped keep him from going all the way out. It took 15 minutes to get the plane on the ground and the pilot survived.
I want to say they were around 20k feet when it happened. The pilot suffered some frostbite.
He also required new underpants.
Are you suggesting that bricks were shat?
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 1:05:17 PM
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It was on a flight from England to Spain. The windshield gave way and the pilot was sucked through, but not all the way. I steward helped keep him from going all the way out. It took 15 minutes to get the plane on the ground and the pilot survived.
I want to say they were around 20k feet when it happened. The pilot suffered some frostbite.
He also required new underpants.
Are you suggesting that bricks were shat?
of the cinder-block kind, I would imagine. 
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 1:07:07 PM
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Heh... imagine that. He could fly, and shit a castle in the sky.
That's a helluva thing to add to a resume.
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 1:19:37 PM
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if capt. dumbass had put a hole in their window at altitude the resulting ED would render both pilots either knocked out hard (to die from lack of oxy later) or just plain dead in a millisecond..
and now..with the locked and zombie-barricaded cabin doors...the plane could be filled with expierienced pilots with oxy tanks on and unless they were on auto pilot they'd go down in a screaming hot-death one way trip to hell.
I'm not sure how difficult it is to get into a cabin NOW..given enough time.. but I'd assume that even if on autopilot and no one able to breach the door, the plane would toodle along on auto for hours and hours till it ran dry on fuel and THEN go down in a screaming, hot-death one way trip to hell.
Leave my Erectile Disfunction out of this.
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RE: Flyin the friendly skies - 3/25/2008 1:22:19 PM
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if capt. dumbass had put a hole in their window at altitude the resulting ED would render both pilots either knocked out hard (to die from lack of oxy later) or just plain dead in a millisecond..
and now..with the locked and zombie-barricaded cabin doors...the plane could be filled with expierienced pilots with oxy tanks on and unless they were on auto pilot they'd go down in a screaming hot-death one way trip to hell.
I'm not sure how difficult it is to get into a cabin NOW..given enough time.. but I'd assume that even if on autopilot and no one able to breach the door, the plane would toodle along on auto for hours and hours till it ran dry on fuel and THEN go down in a screaming, hot-death one way trip to hell.
Leave my Erectile Disfunction out of this.
You brought it up...
...oh, wait... you couldn't have.
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